It’s become more and more popular over the last few decades to say that Sodom and Gomorrah’s sin was not what we call sodomy or homosexuality, but it’s just not Scripturally accurate.
Genesis 19:1-5 shows that the men (not the women) of the city wanted/desired to have sex with the male visitors.
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 calls this very act to’evah, often translated abomination, and this is easily seen by even pro-gay “Christian” proponents, because their argument here is just: “The law is no longer binding through Christ.” Unbelievers see it clearly too. I once heard Ian McKellan say that he tore out the Leviticus 18 page of the Gideon Bible when he slept in a hotel room, because he didn’t want to sleep beside such garbage. They all see it; it’s not hard to see.
Jude 1:7 then says the cities were given over to ekporneuo, a Greek word meaning sexually immoral acts, and suffered the punishment of eternal fire. The strange flesh Jude mentions isn’t speaking of the men wanting sex with angels - they didn’t even know the men were angels - it’s speaking of the flesh being different than female, i.e. a male-to-male sexual relationship.
The text many progressives like to go to is in Ezekiel 16:49. There we find that *a* sin of Sodom was pride connected with a neglect of helping the poor and needy. Most do not read the next verse though where it says that Sodom practiced to’evah, the same word used in Leviticus 18:22 (and verse 26, 27, 29, and 30) and Leviticus 20:13.
It would be fine to say that practicing homosexuality was not Sodom’s *only* sin, but that’s certainly not how those using Ezekiel 16:49 frame it. They attempt to bypass the Older Testament Law by saying Leviticus has been abolished, or they try to use some fancy footwork to get around what Genesis and the rest of the Bible teaches against, all in hopes of appeasing a modern crowd.
White and Neil write, “Indeed, arrogance and pride are closely related to a willingness to twist even the most basic and fundamental aspect of our being, our sexuality, and to flaunt this in the face of God and our fellow creatures.” (The Same Sex Controversy, p.42)
Some try to say gang rape is in view in Genesis 19:1-5, but it was only the men of the city who were lustfully wanting the *male* visitors. They weren’t interested in the females. And there was no violence going on in Genesis 19:1-5, only a request that righteous Lot knew was wicked (2 Pet. 2:6-8).
Yahweh even held the Canaanites accountable to their many sexual sins; that’s how Leviticus 18 begins and ends. He tells Israel to not act like the Canaanites, because the Canaanites were vomited out of their land due to their sexual sins (Lev. 18:27-28). It’s similar to when Yahweh speaks of the “iniquity of the Amorites” (Gen. 15:16). Homosexual practice is just like adultery, it’s not limited to being prohibited in Israel.
In the beginning Yahweh made them male and female (Mt. 19:4). This is why a man leaves *father and mother* (one family unit) and *he* cleaves to his *wife* (forming a new family unit), Genesis 2:23-24. It’s been happening for thousands of years.
Some people use the, “Well Jesus never condemned homosexuality.” I can at least understand if an unbeliever says something like that (because they don’t believe the Bible), but for a believer to say such is unacceptable. We are supposed to be whole Bible Christians. Yeshua (Jesus) doesn’t have to address something for it to be a sin. His Father is the law-giver, and is top authority. As a matter of fact, Yeshua didn’t even speak his own words (John 12:49-50).
Stick with the whole Bible my friends. Don’t let anyone fool you by quoting one verse. #pridemonth
I’ve watched and studied a video that was sent to me a while back, and I’ve been responding to it as I’ve listened to, studied, and meditated on each part. In a nutshell, the video claims that there are corruptions in Scripture, we do not have the original Torah of Moshe, and animal sacrifices and the eating of meat are an abomination, a religion of blood and death.
One of the chief verses used near the beginning of this video teaching (and mentioned a few times throughout) is Jeremiah 7:22. I’ll quote it here along with verse 21:
“Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:” (Jeremiah 7:21-22, KJV)
“My people, some sacrifices you burn completely on the altar, and some you are permitted to eat. But what I, the LORD, say is that you might as well eat them all. I gave your ancestors no commands about burnt offerings or any other kinds of sacrifices when I brought them out of Egypt.” (Jeremiah 7:21-22, GNB)
I give two translations here at ends of the spectrum. KJV for a more word-for-word reading and GNB for a more meaning-for-meaning reading.
The two men in the video I mentioned cite this text as proof that YHWH doesn’t want animal sacrifices, and that YHWH didn’t give commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices when He brought Israel out of Egypt.
The problem with this understanding is
(1) How do they know Jeremiah 7:21-22 isn’t a corruption? They began their video with an erroneous understanding of Jeremiah 8:8 (claiming that the Bible has scribal corruption throughout and can’t be trusted), yet it’s always the verses they want to be in there that aren’t corrupt. It’s the ol’ pick-and-choose game. You see a verse that seems to speak positively about animal sacrifices - IT’S CORRUPT. You see a verse that seems to speak negatively about animal sacrifices - IT’S LEGIT.
(2) There are clear texts showing that YHWH indeed DID speak to the Israelites commands about animal sacrifices when He brought them out of Egypt. The Pesac is the prime example here. The very command that catapulted the Israelites out of Egypt included a command to sacrifice a year-old male lamb, put its blood on the doorframe of one’s house, and eat the meat (Exodus 12:3-14, 26-28). So not only did YHWH command a sacrifice when He brought Israel out of Egypt, it was actually the primary command. The Pesac animal sacrifice was the means through which deliverance and freedom from Egypt came.
A text to go along with this is found in Exodus 20 just after the giving of the Ten Commandments. We generally stop reading at verse 17 of that chapter, because it’s the finale commandment. We see that the chapter continues, but we figure it’s less meaningful commentary after the ten commands come to a close. If we just kept reading, we would see this:
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven. Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold. An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.” (Exodus 20:22-24, KJV)
“The LORD commanded Moses to tell the Israelites: "You have seen how I, the LORD, have spoken to you from heaven. Do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gold to be worshiped in addition to me. Make an altar of earth for me, and on it sacrifice your sheep and your cattle as offerings to be completely burned and as fellowship offerings. In every place that I set aside for you to worship me, I will come to you and bless you.” (Exodus 20:22-24, GNB)
Verse 22 specifically says “YHWH said” or “YHWH commanded.” It was a relay to Moshe to give to the people of Israel, and what follows is a “shall not” and a “shall.” The “shall not” is to make gods of silver and gold to rival (or probably depict) YHWH. In contrast, what you “shalt make” (in YHWH’s honor) is an altar of earth. Upon that altar He commands sacrifices, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, and He mentions sheep and cattle. He says that if they do this He’ll come and bless them.
Catch that: YHWH will bless the people of Israel for building an altar of earth and sacrificing animals on that altar. The purpose of animal sacrifices isn’t the main scope of this essay/rebuttal, but let me briefly say that the animal sacrifices were gifts brought to YHWH, and a means of drawing near unto the Great King with something costly. The Israelites were farmers and herdsmen. Their greatest possessions were their flocks and herds. Sheep and goats were good for clothing, milk (and meat), and cows were good for milk, plowing, pulling, threshing grain (and meat). They gave their firstlings (order and rank) to YHWH, as well as tithed their animals. YHWH let them keep all the rest which was far more (quantity wise) in comparison to what He asked from them.
Getting back to the main point: How do we reconcile Jeremiah 7:21-22 with Exodus 12 and Exodus 20? Jeremiah has YHWH saying He did NOT command burnt offering and sacrifice when He brought Israel out of Egypt. Exodus has YHWH saying He DID command burnt offering and sacrifice when He brought Israel out of Egypt.
The fellows on the video just throw out the texts in Exodus as being corrupted. I’m not at all comfortable with doing this, and I even believe a person who is comfortable with doing this is either (1) badly deceived and falling into a state of unbelief, or (2) completely deceived and headed to Gehenna. I say this because a dismissal of the words of YHWH in His Torah is a grave sin. It’s pretty much saying, “I hate you YHWH” with your actions, and is a direct, blatant violation of Deuteronomy 4:2.
Instead, we should seek to slow down and harmonize the texts together. If we believe they are BOTH the words of YHWH then we should be able to use Scriptural study skills to determine the meaning from each context.
First off, the texts in Exodus precede the text in Jeremiah. Jeremiah references back to the time of the removal from the land of Egypt so he’s obviously writing that after Exodus has taken place. As we read the texts in Exodus (chapters 12 and 20) we see clear commands about animal sacrifices. There’s nothing vague at all. Slaughter the Pesac, YHWH says (Ex. 12:6, 21). Build an altar of earth and on it sacrifice your sheep and oxen (Ex. 20:24). The entire context in these Scriptures is the direct command of YHWH.
So what is YHWH saying through the prophet Jeremiah? I’m not comfortable at all to just dismiss this text. What I want people to do is slow down and examine it in context.
If you go back to Jeremiah 7:1, you’ll see that YHWH is reprimanding the Israelites. He’s calling them to amend their ways (vs. 3) and not trust in the Temple for their salvation (vs. 4). Oftentimes the people of Israel used tangible items as somewhat of a talisman. Here they figured if they had the Temple, and could come and offer sacrifice, they would be alright.
I’m reminded of one time I heard of a person getting baptized and calling it “fire insurance.” In their mind, they thought that their baptism made everything else okay. They could pretty much do whatever they wanted to do and just trust in their baptism. Baptism is a beautiful thing according to many Scriptures, but to use baptism as a replacement for a life of holiness is filthy.
Jeremiah 7:5-6, 9 tell us some of things Israel was committing. They were not executing just judgment, and they were oppressing strangers, the orphans, and the widows. That was probably the group that was getting shorted in judgment. They were also shedding innocent blood (somehow), and committing theft, murder, adultery, and perjury. That’s quite a list of sins - big sins. Yet, they would come and stand before YHWH in the house called by His name (the Temple; 7:10).
In Jeremiah 7:12-14 we see YHWH telling the Israelites who went to worship in Jerusalem not to get the big head, because He could and would do the same thing to it/them as He did to Israel of a past time in Shiloh. Bible readers know what happened to Shiloh back at the time of 1 Samuel, under the “leadership” of Eli the priest. It wasn’t pretty. It ended with Ichabod - the glory (of YHWH) was gone.
Now look at verses 17-20 of this chapter. It appears that through all of this the Israelites where offering up cakes to a false goddess termed the “Queen of Heaven.” So there was idolatry in the mix. They had one foot at the temple and the other foot in an idol’s “temple.” YHWH was terribly angry (vs. 20).
It’s in this vein that verses 21-22 are spoken. YHWH, in His anger, is telling the Israelites to keep their animal sacrifices they are giving to Him for themselves. He doesn’t want them. He goes so far to say that He didn’t command them about burnt offerings and sacrifices when he delivered them from Egypt.
What YHWH is doing is speaking comparatively here. The meaning is that YHWH’s overall commandment is obedience. He prefers obedience over sacrifice (1 Sam. 15:22). He doesn’t want disobedience coupled with bringing a sacrifice to the Temple, in the same way that He wouldn’t want baptism coupled with disobedience. Imagine for a minute that your spouse (for the married folk) claimed to love you, but you found out they’d been committing adultery against you for a year or so. Then when you confronted them about it, they said, “But I’m baptized, I’m good.” That’s nonsense.
Comparative speaking can be found in other texts of Scripture. Think about Genesis 45:8 where Joseph told his brothers, “It was not you who sent me here, but the Almighty.” Yet Joseph’s brothers did send him there. They were the ones who threw him into a pit and sold him to some traders which eventually led to his time in Egypt. Joseph’s point though is comparative; although his brothers did all this to him, ultimately it was YHWH who had it planned out for a greater purpose.
The same thing can be said for Exodus 16:8 where Moshe tells the Israelites, “Your murmurings aren’t against us but against YHWH.” Yet Exodus 16:2 says the whole congregation murmured against Moshe and Aharon. So which one is right? Both are, but ultimately when Israel murmured against the prophet and priest of YHWH they were murmuring against YHWH. Moshe spoke comparatively in verse 8.
Other examples can be given, but this is sufficient. Jeremiah 7:21-22 means that sacrifices mean nothing if they aren’t brought from a pure heart. What YHWH ultimately desires is obedience (Jer. 7:23). When we serve Him, and then bring a sacrifice, it is acceptable. Just like with our baptism. None of us live perfectly without sin, but when our lifestyle is one of overall obedience and dedication, we can indeed look back to our baptism for the forgiveness of sin (along with on-going repentance).
Albert Barnes’ puts it nicely in his commentary: “The meaning is, Increase your sacrifices as you will. Add burnt-offering to peace-offerings. All is in vain as long as you neglect the indispensable requirements of obedience and moral purity.”
As does Jamieson-Fausset-Brown: “Not contradicting the divine obligation of the legal sacrifices. But, ‘I did not require sacrifices, unless combined with moral obedience’ (Ps 50:8; 51:16, 17). The superior claim of the moral above the positive precepts of the law was marked by the ten commandments having been delivered first, and by the two tables of stone being deposited alone in the ark (De 5:6). The negative in Hebrew often supplies the want of the comparative: not excluding the thing denied, but only implying the prior claim of the thing set in opposition to it (Ho 6:6). "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice" (1Sa 15:22). Love to God is the supreme end, external observances only means towards that end.”
Matthew Poole has this to add: “It is evident in Scripture that they [sacrifices] have been of Divine institution ever since Adam, Genesis 4:3,4. As to the meaning of the words, God doth not condemn them, or deny them, save only comparatively in respect of obedience, not so much these as obeying his commands, 1 Samuel 15:22 Hosea 6:6, i.e. mercy rather than sacrifice. Negatives are often put for comparatives, Genesis 45:8 Exodus 16:8 John 5:45. Hence the Hebrew is, the matter of burnt-offerings; for sacrifices were not instituted for themselves, but for other uses, and to be signs of faith in his promises, and obedience to his commands, as in the next verse, where the condition, promise, and end are all set down.”
The fellows in the video I mentioned at the beginning are sorely wrong. They haven’t read Jeremiah closely, and they have thrown out the commands given by YHWH in Exodus. This is a fearful thing. They are leading people astray from the direct commands of YHWH. I encourage all to go back and re-examine matters as these, doing a diligent job at studying and believing all of Scripture, not just the parts you want or like.
The birth of Yeshua is recorded in Luke 2. Here are some key verses (KJV) in this chapter showing that Yeshua is separate from Yahweh.
Lu 2:12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
Lu 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
Lu 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
Notice that the baby was lying in the manger, but God was in the highest. The baby in the manger is Yeshua. The God in the highest is Yahweh. This hearkens back to Luke 1:32 where Yeshua is called the Son of the Highest. Yahweh is the Highest, Yeshua is His Son.
Lu 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Yeshua, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
Lu 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
Lu 2:23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to Yahweh;)
Lu 2:24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
Once Mary's purification was accomplished, her and Joseph brought Yeshua to Jerusalem to present him to Yahweh. Do we really think they thought they were presenting God to God? Yeshua was a firstborn male, and thus was holy to Yahweh, so they presented the baby Yeshua to Almighty Yahweh, as Yahweh's law required.
Lu 2:39 And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
Lu 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
The child that grew here is Yeshua. He waxed strong in spirit. Waxed means he had to grow. God's grace was upon him. He wasn't God, but God's grace was great in his life.
Lu 2:52 And Yeshua increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.
Yeshua had to increase in three things here: wisdom, stature, and favor. He increased in these things with both God and man. Catch that. Yeshua increased in favor with Yahweh. The more he learned and grew, he became more favorable in Yahweh's sight.
These are points that are very easy to see, but I think man-made theologies have caused people to pass over these verses without really believing them.
I think it was the year 2000 when I first heard someone quote Jeremiah 8:8 in order to say that something in Scripture had been corrupted by a lying scribe. I soon found out that anytime I’d go to a different Scripture, to try and show them their error, they’d just repeat the same about that text too: “Well that’s the lying pen of the scribes.”
What this abuse of Jeremiah amounts to is NOT trusting YHWH with all your heart, but instead leaning to YOUR OWN understanding. Any text this person liked, they’d quote authoritatively. Any text they didn’t like (that didn’t align with what they wanted) they’d again holler, “Lying pen of the scribes!” It was exhausting trying to reason with them, because they’d only accept texts that went along with their beliefs.
What this position on Jeremiah 8:8 leads to - consistently - is a denial of the authority of the entire Bible. I’ve seen people who went down this road eventually lose their faith entirely - you know why? Because that’s the consistent thing to do when you start peeling away texts with no manuscript authority to back you. There are certainly interpolations in Scripture, but we have to be able to show such through textual criticism. We can’t just make stuff up.
I’ve recently heard a couple fellows completely throw out the entire Torah available to us today, from Genesis to Deuteronomy. They claim that Moshe wrote a real Torah, but we don’t have that one anymore. They do this predominantly because they don’t like animal sacrifices, and the Torah we have speaks so much in favor of them, they end up throwing it all out.
They then quote texts in Jeremiah, 2 Esdras, and some from the gospel of Matthew; texts which they believe are in their favor. But guess what? They don’t even consider it a possibility that these texts are the lying pen of the scribes. Why? Because that’s the texts they want to use. If they want a text, good scribe. If they don’t want a text, bad scribe. It’s so awful.
If we slow down and exegete Jeremiah 8 properly, it’s not even saying that the scribes changed the Torah. It’s actually a condemnation of *people* who try to get around the Torah by *claiming* scribal lies.
If you back up just a bit, 8:5 speaks of back-slidden Jerusalem, 8:6 says no man repented of his wickedness, and 8:7 says the people don’t know the judgment of YHWH.
With this context, the key to 8:8 is right at the beginning of the verse. The prophet asks the people “How do *YE* say,” and then he goes on to quote what the backsliders are saying. It’s not YHWH saying the scribes are lying. It’s not the prophet saying the scribes are lying. It’s the unrepentant back-sliders that speak of the lying pen of the scribes.
The unrepentant are claiming, “The law of YHWH is with us! The pen of the scribes is in vain!” They are trying to circumvent what is written by the scribes by claiming they have the truth and they are the authority. They say they have the law of YHWH, because they don’t want to go by what’s been written.
So the present-day people that are trying to use this text in Jeremiah to get around the Torah (that we have today) are actually condemned by this very text. They are saying the same thing the back-sliders said way back then.
I’ve seen this so much in my walk over the years. Some people get just enough information to hurt themselves, but they don’t know how to handle the Scriptures properly. They have something in their own mind or heart that they want to believe, so they twist the Scriptures to go along with what they want. They don’t love YHWH enough to trust His instructions and let His Torah change their heart and mind. It’s very sad.
I’ve watched many of these same people veer off into believing pretty much nothing. They eventually stop serving YHWH, and just live their own life and do what they want to do. They have no stability and they wander from doctrine to doctrine like a spiritual vagabond.
If you ever hear someone try to quote Jeremiah 8:8 in an attempt to discredit a Scripture, you are listening to a person why doesn’t want to submit to YHWH. They may say they do, but they’re no different than the people who say “Lord, Lord,” but at the same time practice lawlessness (Matthew 7:21-23). You do not love YHWH by trashing His word. That’s how you hate YHWH.
Blog by Matthew Janzen. Lover of Yahweh, Yeshua, my wife and 5 children. All else is commentary.